The Son I Knew Too Late: Sally Raymond’s Mission to Prevent Suicide

How Grief Sparked a Lifelong Mission: Sally Raymond’s Story of Love, Loss, and Emotional Education

What happens when a mother, armed with clinical training and boundless love, loses her gifted son to suicide? For Sally Raymond, it meant facing the most painful truth imaginable: despite her growing expertise as a psychotherapist, she missed the signs.

Her son Jon’s death shattered her world—but it also awakened a mission.

In her powerful book, The Son I Knew Too Late, Sally walks us through her journey of decoding the unspoken stories of her son’s life—the subtle cries for help, the deeply embedded trust wounds, and the silent struggles of a young man who felt too much. But rather than being consumed by grief, she transformed it into fuel for healing and education.

Drawing from the theories of Erik Erikson, Sally translates her experience into a guide that not only helps parents prevent tragedy but teaches us all how to better understand ourselves and those we love. She makes a compelling case for why emotional intelligence should be at the centre of our education system, not an afterthought.

In our podcast conversation, Sally opens up about the physical and emotional toll of loss, her path to healing, and why trust is the foundational block of every child’s emotional development. She doesn’t sugarcoat the pain, but she offers hope, clarity, and tools that can save lives.

This is more than a story of grief—it’s a wake-up call for all of us to look deeper, love more consciously, and build environments where emotional health is valued just as much as academic success.

Her story teaches us: it’s never too late to learn how to keep life worth living.

About Sally Raymond

Sally Raymond, a longtime Marriage & Family Therapist & inspirational Speaker (DTM), has authored a unique suicide prevention book, “The Son I Knew Too Late: A Guide to Help You Survive and Thrive” that would be more accurately titled, “How to Keep Life Worth the Living”. In it, the stories she was forced to learn the hardest way possible that took her superstar son Jon to suicide are told, then reinterpreted through the work of the late, great Dr. Erik Erikson to help the living know how to thrive all through life and to avoid what her son and she didn’t. 

Thirty years ago and halfway through my psychotherapist licensure, my genius “too good” 23yo son Jon committed suicide— proving I’d missed his pain. Devastated, but with the new clinical skills most parents never have, I was forced onto a quest to find the stories I obviously missed, that from his point of view, made perfect sense of his last, horrific choice. But first, I had to survive.

Website: https://sallyaraymond.com/ 

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The Imperfect CEO: How Honest Leaders Build Healthy Organisations (with Jim Brown) Mirror Talk: Soulful Conversations

What happens when leaders stop performing, start telling the truth and allow themselves to be human?In this episode of Mirror Talk: Soulful Conversations, Tobi speaks with Jim Brown—leadership advisor, founder of OrgHealth, former partner at The Table Group and USA Today bestselling author of The Imperfect CEO. Drawing on more than 30 years of experience alongside CEOs, boards and executive teams, Jim explores why healthy leadership begins with honesty rather than perfection.Together, they examine the hidden pressure many leaders carry to appear certain, capable and in control—even when trust is weakening beneath the surface. Jim explains how the corporate “telephone game” distorts communication as organisations grow, why culture problems are often personal problems in disguise and what happens when ego, fear and image management replace truthful conversation.The conversation also enters the “messy middle”: the uncomfortable space where old leadership habits have stopped working but healthier ways of relating have not yet taken root. Jim reflects on the team trials that reveal what success can conceal, the freedom of admitting that we do not have all the answers and the difference between leading as a hero and leading as a steward.Grounded in Jim’s Christian faith and his experiences as a father and grandfather, this episode is an invitation to rethink success, legacy and responsibility. Real leadership is not a polished performance. It is the courage to face reality, care for people and build trust through honest conversation.Chapters00:00 Leading with Humanity Instead of Ego10:21 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Leadership21:00 The Imperfect CEO and the Power of Vulnerability31:52 Communication and the Corporate Telephone Game43:01 When Culture Problems Become Personal45:48 Leadership Through Stewardship and Service51:49 Defining Success Beyond Career AchievementAbout Jim BrownJim Brown is a leadership advisor, author and the founder and founding partner of OrgHealth, where he helps CEOs, executive teams and boards build healthy, life-giving organizational cultures. For more than 30 years, he has worked with leaders carrying significant responsibility and helped them replace guarded performance with clarity, trust and shared ownership.Jim is the USA Today bestselling author of The Imperfect CEO: Making the Climb to Organizational Health and the author of The Imperfect Board Member. His work invites leaders to release the myth of perfection and embrace a more honest, grounded and human way of leading.Connect with Jim BrownOrgHealth: https://www.orghealthteam.com/Jim Brown on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authorjimbrown/The Imperfect CEO: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1637749023The Imperfect Board Member — 20th Anniversary Edition: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1394336543If this conversation speaks to you, share it with someone learning to lead with greater honesty, humility and courage.Remember: real connection is more powerful than a perfect image.Continue Your JourneyRead CONFESSIONS: A personal invitation to reflection, healing and honest self-discovery: https://mirrortalkpodcast.com/confessions-book/ Try Aletheia: Receive calm, personalised biblical wisdom for the questions and decisions shaping your life: https://aletheia.mirrortalkpodcast.com Ask Mirror Talk: Share what is on your heart and receive a thoughtful reflection that may help you see your situation more clearly: https://mirrortalkpodcast.com/ask-mirror-talk/ Support Mirror TalkFollow or subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or your preferred podcast platform so you do not miss future conversations about personal growth, spirituality, healing, purpose, relationships, leadership and intentional living.Your rating, review and shared recommendation help more people discover the podcast.You can also support our work and outreach by becoming a Mirror Talk Patreon member: http://patreon.com/MirrorTalk 
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